Why are travel bloggers so nasty towards eachother?

I’ve been wanting to write this post for quite some time but always backed away from it because I didn’t want to stir up a hornets nest but I’ve now got to the point where I literally want to smash the nest wide open regardless of whether I’m wearing protective gear or not.

I am just so incredibly fed up with the childish behaviour in the travel blogging community – something so opposite from the connotation of the word ‘community’. You think of people being positive and helping each other not telling people ‘you’re doing it all wrong’ and calling each other out in public forums etc. When did people find such big sticks to sit their butts on? *Newsflash* egos aren’t attractive! If you think you’re special just because you have a lot of followers, page views and are making some money, I’ve got something to tell you; you’re not. Nelson Mandela is special. Warren Buffet giving away nearly all his wealth is special. Your family is special. You? Well you’re just one person in a ocean of hopefuls trying to achieve their own success with some riding bigger waves than others.

Advice
This is when you really have to develop a mind of your own…
Some will tell you that you HAVE to blog a certain amount of times per week whilst others believe it should be quality over quantity.  Someone might tell you you HAVE to guest post at least once a month to ‘maximise exposure’ but someone else may say that an occasional guest post is all that is needed.  Some tell you never to swear on your blog whilst others celebrate the honesty of the writer behind it.  And don’t even get me started on advertising; some will say ‘yes’ or ‘my God, why don’t you just sleep with the Devil’.

Let’s just clear something up shall we? There is no right or wrong way to blog (I recommend you pick your jaws up from the floor; I haven’t cleaned in a while).  YES, there are ways that may prevent you from becoming ‘bigger and better’ or not maximise your potential but they’re not the be all and end all of blogging. We all have very different ideas on the ‘right’ and ‘wrong’ ways to blog but that’s just because of our personal preferences. Some think pop-ups inviting you to join their Facebook page are a good thing whilst others hate any kind of pop-up; we’re all different. If you love that your photos aren’t perfect on your blog post because you didn’t quite have time to ‘set the shot up properly’ then good for you! If you’re happy with what you have written and photos you’ve displayed then what the hell does it matter to anyone else?! Just like parenting, blogging doesn’t come with a manual and everyone is just trying to discover what works best for them.

Many people will say that a blog is ‘just a platform to showcase other talents and projects’ etc but what if it isn’t?!  What if you *just* want to write and make a little money on the side, or none at all?!  There is so much assumption that everyone wants to be huge and successful (whatever that term truly means) but there are others that just want to blog and have fun with it like Maggie.  Sure, there are things you can do in the future for a little extra such as writing an ebook but not everyone has or wants to showcase ‘other talents and projects’.  Not everyone wants to develop an app, start another website, do freelance work or write an ebook.  Some people simply like to write and share their photos and their adventures with us.  Their thinking isn’t wrong, it’s just the avenue they’re taking. Just because someone is ‘big’ i.e. has lots of followers or fans, it doesn’t give them the right to TELL people what they should and should not do.  Give advice not lectures! We’re all different.  We have different wants and needs from our blogs.  Don’t assume that just because we’re heading in the same direction, that I want or should follow your path.

Selling adverts
Let’s just settle this whole ‘should I sell adverts’ business once and for all shall we?!  It’s none of your business! Yes, we are all aware in the countless Facebook groups for bloggers over the countless weeks and months you spend bringing it up that by many people’s standard (and whoever else I simply cannot be bothered to mention) that it’s ‘wrong’ to do it but so what?!  Are these people personally hurting you?  Are they affecting YOUR statistics?  No??  Then kindly keep your superiority complex to yourselfPlease don’t bother to correct me on my ‘naiveity’ of advert selling either because that’s not what this post is about.

I couldn’t give a crap if you sold links or your Grandma (note to children; don’t sell your Grandma, you won’t get much) as long as it doesn’t affect me.  We are all taking different journeys!  You can go round and round over the same argument (which is happening and getting extremely boring!) about whether or not you should sell them and that it’s not a sustainable income etc but who cares?!  You’re taking one avenue and someone else is taking another.

The only people that truly care about the validity of placing links are other travel bloggers.  REAL people, the ones that people are trying to connect with and inspire in the first place usually don’t even notice let alone care!  As far as they’re aware, it’s normal practice for a blogger.  The real people aren’t bothered by the politics and ethics of a text link, they just want to read inspiring stories, tips on destinations and have someone to answer their questions.  So if the ‘normal’ person doesn’t care, why are all the other travel bloggers getting their Speedos in a twist?

Keep your opinions to yourself
If you have something to say personally about a blogger i.e. that you don’t like their writing or attitude etc, either keep it between yourself and friends (privately), tell the blogger in private or just shut the hell up! I get so incredibly angry and disheartened that so many people call each other out in public whether it be Twitter or a Facebook blogging group; at first glance it looks like we’re in the school playground not a bunch of civil adults trying to help each other in the ‘community’. It’s just embarrassing to read and I begin to feel ashamed that I have, by default, been ‘lumped in by association’ with these other bloggers.

And would you PLEASE stop trying to ram it down other peoples throats that something ‘doesn’t fit your business model’. So what if you have a business model for your blog, a social media strategy or goals – it makes you no better or worse than anyone else in the group. Again, you’re not special, you’re just another blogger. We all started out in the same place. Sure, you may be ‘bigger’ than others (congratulations!) but that doesn’t mean you have to have a stick up your ass or have you forgotten your lessons from school? Treat people like you would want to be treated. If you want to be the jackass that’s fine but don’t be surprised if no one wants to then go that ‘extra mile’ to help you.

Being a*holes
Please stop being hypocrites.  If you tell people ‘never to sell links’ or ‘never blog a certain way’, don’t do it yourself because you just look like a stuck-up idiot, especially when you get caught doing it.  I know too many bloggers that tell people the only way to increase social media numbers is to keep having conversations etc, only for them to go and buy Facebook fans or Twitter followers (yes, you really can ‘buy’ bigger numbers).  It’s disheartening and it makes a fool of bloggers who actually work hard for those people.  It also makes you a liar when you say that you made ‘some money through blah blah blah’ when you’re actually selling links – the very thing you told people not to do – and no one likes a liar.  I’m not saying that you have to announce every action to everyone (since some people are pathetic enough to ‘grass’ each other up to Google), just don’t lecture someone about not doing a certain practice which you engage in yourself.

Be yourself online too.  Don’t sound like you’re this amazing adventurous person on your blog and through your writing then be a jumped up a*hole in real life.  Not only is it disappointing but you will gain a reputation (in private) amongst other bloggers that actually, you’re not that great a person after all and guess what?  You’ll start losing followers and readers; the exact thing you pride yourself on.

And what’s with the condescention everywhere? Have you forgotten that we all started out the same? Sure, you may be ‘huge’ now but guess what? You started in exactly the same place as everybody else so why have you got a forrest worth of sticks shoved up your ass? Why don’t you HELP US not ‘sit in your castle and laugh at the minions’?! It takes far more energy to be a douchebag than it does to be nice! If people engage with you often, be it through Twitter or Facebook etc, have the common decency to at least thank them. After all, without them, you have no readers in the first place. I can’t remember how many ‘big’ bloggers I have unfollowed, un-fanned and unsubscribed from because they couldn’t even find it in themselves to say ‘hi’ occasionally. Stop dismissing people because you don’t think your time is worth it. Everyone deserves time.

On our own journey
We’re all people interested in travel and have blogs that showcase that but that’s where the similarities end because we all have unique ways of connecting with our readers and we have different goals we want to achieve.  Some may value their achievement on the amount of money they make whilst some measure success with page views or comments.  Me? I measure success by my ‘numbers’; right after how happy writing makes me feel.  Don’t judge me if I don’t have a ‘business model’ or strategy to go ‘viral’ online or if I see myself as ‘just as writer’ when I *should be* editor, photographer, marketer, PR and SEO genius etc etc and I won’t judge you for being totally opposite to me in every way.

And before everyone jumps on me telling me that I’M the one with the stick up their ass, let me just clarify a couple of points. Whilst I can’t remember them off-hand, I probably have committed a few faux-pas along the way (it’s called learning). You might also think I’m bitter and jealous because my blog isn’t big but that would only serve to reinforce my point; you are assuming I want to be ‘big’! This is my blog and my journey, I’m simply ‘calling out’ the minority that are spoiling it for the majority. There are many huge bloggers out there that are kind and so helpful despite their crazy schedules such as Nellie of Wildjunket and Caz and Craig of ytravelblog so my only question is; if they can do it, what’s YOUR excuse?

Feel free to rip this post apart and tell me I’m ‘wrong’ about everything from my grammar to the ethics of blogging because guess what? I don’t care what you think; just like you shouldn’t care what I think either.  You are you and I am me. That is where our similarities and differences start and finish.  It’s the exact same reason you are fully entitled to think I’m talking shit but it will simply prove my point; we are all unique, are taking different journey’s and all have different opinions on what people should say or do.  Neither of us are wrong or right, we’re just being ‘us’.

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  1. A fellow London blogger and I went along to a travel-themed blogger event last year (between us we’ve been blogging for 12 years and we’re both quite popular on the London blogging scene).

    The event sticks in my mind because the reception was the frostiest I’ve experienced in a long time – the room was made up of small cliques of people who were not interesting in talking to us in the slightest. I have avoided travel-based events in London ever since!

  2. I should also add something to the ‘buying followers’ point. If you go down that dark and dangerous route then you can kiss goodbye to any meaningful analysis of your visitor numbers, metrics etc from that point onwards. All those false followers and subscribers have irrevocably tainted your data.

  3. OMG round of applause!! This post is everything and sums up how I feel perfectly.

  4. This is a very brave post and I hope you don’t face the wrath of the travel blogging community for saying your bit! You are, of course, right that there is no ‘right’ or ‘wrong’ way to blog – that is the beauty of writing online although there are ways to maximise your success, some of which is very ‘cloak and dagger’. I have seen a few bloggers say that they make their money from their blog and ‘various other websites’ but are reluctant to reveal what those other websites are and there are certainly no links to them from their main website!

    I have become greatly disillusioned by the number of ‘big’ bloggers who have NEVER thanked me for a RT, responded to a comment on their site (apart from a generic ‘thanks for commenting’ but nothing specific to what I actually said) or replied on Twitter, and I find it very offensive – especially when I read their posts that bang on about how much they care about their readership! I won’t name and shame those bloggers but I will name a few that always reply and engage in conversation: Y Travel Blog, Positive World Travel and Andi of My Beautiful Adventures. If it wasn’t for those guys (and many like them) I would have given up the travel blog community altogether!

  5. epic rant Toni…and now breathe and have a nice cup of tea 🙂 good skills!

  6. Haha, well said Chris. Feels like you’ve wanted to get that off your chest for sooo long! I agree with a lot of what you’ve said, especially the point you’ve touched on about bloggers blogging for bloggers.

    I try not to get involved with any blogging politics because, to be honest, I just don’t care, but I think it’s really important to think about the bigger picture. Of course it’s really nice when other bloggers read your blog but it’s the real readers who count.

    There’s always going to be petty arguing in such a small and competitive market but I met some journalists last week who foudn it really nice that bloggers were so supportive of one another. We encourage each other, work together and try to promote each other and that’s something traditional journalists don’t do.

    And, if I emailed the editor of Conde Nast Traveller and asked for some advice, I wouldn’t expect a reply. They’re busy people as are travel bloggers.

  7. BAM! Great rant lady. 🙂 More STFU and less bickering is indeed needed.
    I mean, Gary set up the Travel Bloggers FB group and left it because all the nay-saying and bickering became too much, and it just seems to be getting worse! >_<;;

    At least when I sell advertising to my Grandma I get a free bread man on the side. 😛

  8. Toni – i heart you. if we were all the same how boring and vanilla life would be. i have struggled with much of what you’ve said. it is an individual path for each of us in blogging and in real life 🙂

  9. Loved this post, thank you, Toni. I think this online behaviour reflects what people are really like – in real life. I am what I am, I write what I fancy writing, when I feel like it and if I help one person have a fab holiday or find a shop, that makes my day.

    I am just a girl who likes travelling – if people share my content, bother to comment or something, I always make sure I thank them… like I do when someone helps me on the street or a friend does me a favour.

    One fab thing? Made some interesting friendships and met some seriously cool people – and that is all I care about 🙂

    Ana

  10. Pippa

    Well said! I do wonder which travel bloggers are being referred to though… There will always be people who think they know best, so I wonder what pushed you to write this piece. Having introduced myself to a fair number of travel bloggers a year ago I think the travel blogger community is one of the nicest, most polite around (it was a year ago though, perhaps an age in blogging terms). The main thing is that everyone belongs to the blogging community, everyone is having a go for different reasons.

  11. Thank you for voicing opinions I’ve held close for a few months. I would rather be the least read travel blog on the ‘net. (I’m sure I am, I think my klout score is -355 and the last time I checked my ranking was 999,999,999,999) Some days I’m discouraged about this and other days–like today–I remember I could buy a boat load of followers, likes, and what-not but that doesn’t go along with my “personal branding” of integrity.

  12. You make some great points! I am approaching my one year anniversary and am learning heaps as the journey takes shape! I have had the fortune to meet some great bloggers, supportive and helpful, and others not so much! I have been inspired by their stories and love how they have driven me to improve my photography! I have learned so much. The best – the blogging world is so diverse – there is no one answer! Such variation in the readers – there is space for everyone to stamp their personality and goals. I love that there is no one right answer!

    The “buying” of facebook and twitter fans and reliance on these numbers is frustrating. I was hoping to work with a company on my travel blog, but my numbers where not enough. I can accept that – I am still growing and I know they are not massive, but they are real. I have not bought a bunch of followers who are not really following – I have an organic readership that is continuing to grow! I am proud of what I have accomplished, am still learning and hopefully making fewer faux-pas along the way!
    Great commentary – I think many think the same!

  13. This echoes the feelings I have all of the time!

  14. I love how you expressed this. There have been many points since I started my blog that I have wanted to lash out like this (you & I have discussed this at length), but I have always either chickened out or decided it just wasn’t worth it. I’m at the it isn’t worth the time being angry stage right now for many of the reasons you spelled out here. Mostly, I am comfortable with my insignificant (in the ‘bigger blogging world picture’) little blog mostly because it’s MINE. I love getting good numbers just as much as the next person who puts something out there that they work hard on, but my approach to this is to be flattered by the positive attention.
    I will say that most of the bloggers I have interacted with have been very kind with advice and very supportive. There have been some, and I have a feeling were speaking of the same people, who have an incredibly inflated opinion of myself. One blogger told me to stop retweeting their articles because I don’t have enough followers. Another sent me a private (unsolicited) message telling me I don’t travel enough to be taken seriously as a travel blogger. A third one told me that my photos were ‘nice, but amatuerish’ and yet one more told me that I should really learn to be a good writer before trying to pass myself off as a blogger. I’ve kept most of these comments to myself, because everytime I’ve made mention of them, everyone wants to know who they are. I don’t see the point in calling them out individually, since even if I have the documentation to prove it’s true, I’m going to look like I’m jealous.
    The easiest way for me to deal with those bloggers is to delete them from my Google Reader, unlike them on Facbook, and unfollow them on Twitter, then I don’t have to get angry everytime I see them being arrogant on their forums.

    I admire you for writing this, and I wish I thought it would cause some to change their ways, but if they are already so arrogant, I can’t help see them doing anything other than dismissing it.

  15. Welp, it’s official: I effing love you. It’s kinda sexy that you’re so worked up over this. Don’t let people get under your skin babe, they aren’t worth it.

    Note to self: do not piss Toni off.

    xx

  16. Amen, hun. I’m glad you praised the travel bloggers who are well-known and who still take the time out to respond to their readers. They’re the ones I keep going back to. The ones who never communicate despite going on about how much they appreciate their readers…nuh-uh. Sorry, no excuse.

    I’ve seen people act like complete a-holes in the FB group, too. It always puzzles me. Then again, there are plenty of bloggers out there who are fantastic folk who wouldn’t dream of behaving in such an arrogant or condescending manner.

  17. Preach on! This was a fantastic rant. So glad I stumbled onto this. I started my blog in February, and it’s been an interesting few months in the travel blogging world. Overall I’ve had great encounters with the more established “big” bloggers, but I’ve also seen quite a bit of judgment and snark. I truly believe there’s room for everyone (that’s the great thing about the Internet) and we all need to give each other a little space as we pursue whatever it is we’re pursuing. And isn’t it lovely that we can avoid the jerks with a simple “unfriend”, “unfollow”, “delete” or “unsubscribe”? If only the real world were so simple!

  18. “There’s no wrong way to blog”
    Amen. I’ve noticed a lot more bickering and infighting in the travel community over the past year and it makes me really sad. I don’t know if it’s because there are so many people now and competition is fiercer or what, but nastiness is so unnecessary and un-businesslike. I’ve found myself avoiding the blogger groups because of it and it’s a shame because there are so so many really great friendly bloggers out there too.

  19. You know I’ve always loved ya Toni & well now I love you more!!! Amen for this post… because this is how I have been feeling lately about our community. I couldn’t have said it better… I wish people would understand that it’s not that serious… it’s “travel blogging” not “rocket science”. I mean really we are just sharing our stories who cares how anyone does it. Just be yourself and who cares what anyone thinks. I know I get crap sometimes for profanity or writing XXX or drinking too much or being too honest… um I don’t give a fuck what anyone thinks. I am me and will continue to do so. Once again great post & I really hope the big blogs with the sticks up their ass really do read this. xo

  20. Toni….

    I loved this. I’m relatively new to the travel blogging community as far as having my own site, but I’ve followed quite a few of them for some time now, and I know exactly what your talking about.

    I especially hate the overly-negative “whatever you do, DON’T become a travel blogger” posts. Your so right, we’re all walking our own paths..Keep doing exactly what your doing…I, for one, love it 🙂

  21. Wow. That was an eye opener. I haven’t been in this blogging game that long really, but I didn’t realise there was such a bitch-fest going on out there!

    I’m going to quote Ricky Gervais here and say that when you’re being creative, you should be a total dictator about it and do it exactly how YOU want.

    Don’t do it to please other people.

    Love the post.

    Cheers.

  22. One tip I have for everyone is to be poor and talk about your weaknesses, rather than always highlight how great you are.

    It’s human nature to hammer any nail that sticks out. Be poor, but secretly wealthy and enjoy life!

    Sam
    The Yakezie Network

  23. My favourite book about creativity is called, “Ignore Everybody.” (it’s by Hugh MacLeod of GapingVoid.com)

  24. Aww Toni, thanks for saying such kind things about me! I’m always happy to help especially since you’re doing a project that’s meaningful. It’s quite sad to see all that fighting and bitching in the community sometimes, but I definitely those just arise from the few black sheeps. Generally I’ve had much more positive experiences with travel bloggers than negative ones. In fact most of the stuff I’ve learned were through fellow bloggers. I’ve also forged a lot of close friendships with so many of them, I’m truly grateful to have them in my life. Let’s hope all these childish nonsense stops soon enough and we’ll all work together as one! 🙂

  25. Dug this a lot. The first travel blog post I’ve read in about 2 weeks and I’m pretty much hard.

  26. Jen

    Honey, this post is just one of the many reasons why I love you so much!

    I think it’s clear to anyone who is in any of these facebook groups that there’s been tension in the Travel community for a while – I don’t know whether it’s spurred on by jealously, competitiveness or just clashes of personalities – but it’s good to see someone finally address it head on!

    One of the points you touched on that I particularly loved is the fact that the comparisons between people within the community generally begin and end with their love for travel! We are all so different in both our views and our blogging styles that there will never be a right or wrong way to blog.

    I mean, how boring would travel blogs be if we all adhered to one particular model!?

    Cheers to diversity and cheers to people not being dickheads!

  27. ck

    Bravo for posting.

    It’s infinite digital channel universe. Don’t like just change the channel.

  28. Great post Toni! I agree with everything and have been considering writing something similar for awhile.
    I’m so sick of the bashing, meaness and judgemental BS that goes on. Seriously who cares what anyone else is doing and why. I don’t give a s**t I’m too busy to give a S**t!

    I just want everyone to do what suits their values and purpose, to be happy with that and to be bloody nice!!
    thanks so much for mentioning us and to Jane in the comments above. We really put a lot of effort in to embracing everyone who crosses our path and showing our respect by valuing their opinion and encouraging and supporting them no matter what their choices. Simply because this is how I like to be treated and we are all humans first which needs to be HONOURED!

    I was surprised to discover the travel blogging community like this because I was under the very niave assumption that travellers should know better!!! That based on their experiences travelling and meeting people from all walks of life on the road that they should be nicer more compassionate people. How wrong was I???

    If it makes you feel any better, I am in the mummy blogging community as well and they are just as bad. Drives me effing nuts. I have removed myself from so many online communities because I can’t stand it anymore, I know I cant change it, and I can’t allow it to rent space in my head anymore.

    I’d say stick to doing what you love and ignore everyone else and hang out with those people who uplift and inspire. Don’t let the bastards grind you down.
    You’re doing great!

    P.S I also thought travel bloggers should have learned, through travel, to always wear the shoes of those you are judging first. Which is why it annoys me to no end when people gob off about choices others make in regards to making money on their own piece of real estate that they slave over 24/7. How do they know that person is facing bankruptcy, struggling to pay bills, desperate to find an extra $100 to feed and clothe their children? There are many words I like to call those who simply disregard the circumstances of others. RANT over!

  29. Wow, I had no idea there was this much tension in the travel blogging community. I’ve being trying to limit my social media time because it was interfering with my travel/adventure/party time.

    Oops. Did I just break one of the cardinal rules of travel blogging? 😉

    p.s. Great post.

  30. Jim

    I have to agree with this post.
    And Mariellen’s book reference- ” My favourite book about creativity is called, “Ignore Everybody.” (it’s by Hugh MacLeod of GapingVoid.com)” sort of sums it up for me.
    Loved Caz’s rant too!
    For myself, I see a lot of would-be-independent travel bloggers (I admire them) starting out perhaps much as I did years ago- throwing in the corporate life and following one’s instincts in carving out a self-employed career- and the one thing that that strikes me these days is that kharma has a way of coming around again. So don’t baggage yourself with jealousy, judging others- concentrate on your own fortunes (and I don’t mean that in monetary terms).

  31. I remain blissfully unaware of any such bickering, etc., and I hope it stays that way! Life’s too short for assholes…

  32. Thank you for such an open and honest post. You said something that most other people would be too scared to mention, so good on you.

    I have had very good experience with some of the biggies, but also experienced plain rudeness.

    I totally agree, there is no wrong way to blog. We are all individuals with complete different characters, writing styles and opinions. It would make the blogging world quite boring if everybody blogged the same way!

    And yes, Mandela is very special!!! 🙂

  33. Personally, I think the answers to the question posed in your title are fear and jealousy. Read enough from veteran bloggers on message boards and the recurring themes are that they had nobody else’s model to follow, had to forge their own path, and through trial and error they’ve figured out the best way to manage a successful blog.

    What they largely fail to acknowledge is that the blogging has been and continues to change at warp speed, and what wasn’t feasible two years ago is now commonplace. And, honest to god, I think that scares the ever-loving crap outta them, because they’re scared of losing their place at the top of the heap.

    I think they’re jealous to see newer bloggers making more money more quickly, so they pooh-pooh new revenue models while silently kicking themselves for not being able to find those streams for themselves. And I think they resent that today’s bloggers are getting smarter about running their blogs as businesses.

    For those who want a place where veteran and newbie bloggers can collaborate, ask questions, share ideas openly and not be criticized, I encourage you to join “The Business of Blogging” FB page I started. It’s free, it’s open to any blogger, and our moderators don’t put up with one blogger attacking another over differing views.

    Here’s the link: https://www.facebook.com/groups/466415466709216/.

    Loved the rant, by the way!

  34. I’ve been feeling this for a while now and after reading Christine Gilbert’s post on Travelllll.com the other day, I finally decided to just leave all those Travel Blogging facebook groups – they were making me feel ill and I just couldn’t put up with it much longer!

    Thanks for writing this.

  35. I really enjoyed reading this post! I love a good rant…. We do need more opinion pieces 🙂

    To be honest I find it difficult when bloggers are being told stuff from other bloggers. There is a lot of smoke and mirrors going on…especially in terms of traffic & follower numbers (both easily faked).

    Travel bloggers shouldn’t hanging on every word of so-called top bloggers because ultimately the web is changing, there are opportunities to be unique, creative, brilliant by doing things that those people have never done. If you just listen to them you’ll end up with an out dated website. Take some advice, sure… but innovating and trying new things yourself is part of the fun of being online.

    There is no “wrong blog”. Blogging used to be about doing something because you wanted to experiment, write and express yourself …whilst thinking maybe a handful of people would read it. It’s sad that it now seems that the main motivator is money/trips and that you should all treat it as a business.

    It’s like they’ve swallowed to many “how to make money blogging” books.

  36. Well said! I’ve been blogging about a year and got to know some great people individually through it, but have been put off getting too involved in the wider ‘travel blogging community’ as I’ve seen and heard about the bitchiness going on and found it quite cliquey – which is a shame as there are no doubt lots of great and friendly people being tarred by the bad behaviour of a few.

  37. LOVE this post – I echo your sentiments. And Caz, you hit the nail on the head when you mentioned the mummy blogging community, especially the Aussie one, it was doing my head in way too much… so I moved to the US 😉 haha.

  38. I can’t tell you how many times I’ve had this conversation with other travel blogger friends! Thanks for posting.

  39. I struggled with these thoughts as well for a really REALLY long time.

    To be honest, I try to keep the whole, “I didn’t get here without help so I need to help others.” sentiment. But to be honest, it was hard to find people to help us out. We still struggle.

    I love your honesty.

  40. BTW, nastiness is in every niche, including the personal finance and lifestyle space.

    It means you’re doing something great, otherwise people wouldn’t be nastaaaaaay!

    Sam

  41. Loved this and agree with so much of what you’re saying. You just gained another follower — whether you need me or not 🙂

  42. Glad I saw this and clicked over. I have felt some of the same things and especially get frustrated with some things I’ve noticed on Twitter and in the FB groups. I think some people have a tendency to say things in less polite ways online, which is a shame (I was appalled after reading Erik’s comments that anyone would say such things to him!). Some bloggers seem to have gotten a little arrogant, which I think is a sign of immaturity because in any business, any job, any path what makes “success” differs from one person to the next and things change. Bravo to you for stating your feelings. Also, I would add that in addition to the helpful bloggers you mentioned, I would add Suzy Guese and thePlanetD.

  43. Jeez, I had no idea there was this much hostility in the travel blog community! I have been blogging for three years now, but mostly just for me and to keep my family and friends “in the loop” about my adventures, so I am mostly on the outskirts. I’ve been working a bit harder lately at blog promotion and have found most people generally quite supportive. I was shocked to read about some of the nasty comments bloggers leave for one another! If someone told me to quit blogging cuz I don’t travel enough to be taken seriously, I would respond with a swift F-U!! Lucky for me, and them I suppose, everyone has been very pleasant! Good for you for speaking your mind! I’ll read your blog and leave wonderful, supportive comments: I promise! 😉

  44. Gerard – Simple and to the point; love it 🙂

  45. Pete – I didn’t mention meet-ups in this post but I’ve experienced this to. I know enough people to have conversations but there are still small groups that ignore each other which is disheartening especially if it’s the first time you’ve been. And kudos for blogging for so many years 😀

  46. Pete – that is an EXCELLENT point and one that I completely missed. I guess you could argue that some bloggers don’t really care how meaningful their numbers are as long as they can reap the benefits from them such as charging more money for their services or free press trips etc.

  47. Sheryll – yes! Glad you love it so much and that you can relate hun!

  48. Runaway Brit – You’re right about some bloggers being very clock and dagger in the way that they make their income etc. I think the problem is that, sadly, there are some people pathetic enough in this industry to ‘grass’ people up to Google if their ethics (which is personally relevant term in the first place) are questionable in relation to practices and therefore they don’t want people looking. If that’s the case, however, they should just not say anything instead of mentioning the ‘various other websites’.

    Sadly, you’re right, there are some people who say that they care greatly about readership when, they offer no proof of this. I fear they may instead care about the quantity of their readers instead of the quality. There are so many greatly positive ‘big people’ out there that would fall over themselves to help you and I LOVE them for that; it’s just a shame it’s tainted by the minority who let the side down.

  49. Chris – I’ll skip the cup of tea and have some blackcurrant squash instead if that’s ok? 😉 haha

  50. Monica – You’re right – I really have wanted to say it for SO long and it feels incredible to finally hit the publish button 🙂 Couldn’t agree with you more; it’s the ‘read readers’ who truly count; amen! You make a great point that yes, travel journalists would never dream of helping each other out to the extent that some bloggers to which is the truly positive side of the community that I love; thank you for your refreshing positivity as ever hun 🙂
    I understand that if you emailed a written editor for advice then no, you probably wouldn’t get a reply but I think there is an unwritten rule in the blogging world that everyone is accessible and whilst I appreciate that some people can be extremely busy, even a ‘I’m sorry this is an auto-respond but I’m travelling I’ll get back to you ASAP because you’re important to me’ would be better than nothing.

  51. Nicole – I love everything about your comment from the BAM! to free bread man from your Grandma; don’t suppose she’s available to rent is she?! 😉 It’s sad that Gary left his own group because of how it dissolved; I too have left all the blogging groups today…I just don’t have the energy to see so much politics every day 🙂

  52. Lola – Well said! If we were all the same life would be so boring! We are all taking different paths no matter how many similarities we experience with each other 🙂

  53. Ana – I think a lot of us have the same mentality; if we can help just one person on their own journey it makes it so worthwhile! I love your point that we would say thank you in the ‘offline’ world if someone helped us, so why is it any different to online?
    Meeting cool people and making strong friendships is definitely an INCREDIBLE side to the blogging world; one that never fails to make me fall in love with it a little more every day 🙂

  54. Pippa – I think it was a mixture of ‘big bloggers’ and the blogging groups on Facebook that got me going; my feelings have been simmering for a while 🙂 haha. The travel blogger community is a FANTASTIC community when it works as it should and people respect each other but you’ll often find that you’ll get what you’re given…if you go out of your way to help others, you will usually receive the same in return 🙂

  55. Laura – it seems (sadly) that there are many of us that have sat on these feelings for far too long. Try not to get too down about Klout; it’s a very fickle number at the best of times and as many of the (nice) big bloggers say – they would rather have 100 quality readers than 1000 that never interact with them. Never be discouraged – if you can look at those numbers and still want to write because you love it, that’s all that really matters 🙂

  56. Anita – I LOVE that you said that there is space for everyone and that there is no right answer; round of applause! The travel blog community can give us some incredible inspiration and it’s great to hear that it’s helped you improve your photography.

    I mirror your feelings about your numbers holding you back form some opportunities but you’re right, at least you can go to sleep at night knowing that they’re YOUR numbers and no-one elses. You have worked hard for them and nothing and no one can take that away, especially as it continues to grow organically as you say. Keep up the determination Anita – we will all get there eventually 😀

  57. Allison – super glad I’m not the only one!

  58. Jaime – awww I love you too hun! I think the problem is that there are some that do take it very seriously because it’s their business/career (which is fair enough) but the mistake comes when people assume that everyone wants to be like that when really, a huge number of us don’t. And can I just say that I LOVE that you used the word fuck in your comment. You, my lovely, are my kind of guy 😀 You better continue to be you or I’ll kick your perky little butt haha.

  59. Tiffany – A big WELCOME to the travel blogging community (sorry for my moan) haha. I think it’s quite sad that given you’re relatively new that you can already understand what I’m talking about – such a shame!
    I somehow completely forgot about those ‘don’t become a travel blogger’ people; you’re spot on! Pfft who are they to make such blod statements?! And thank you for your kind words; always appreciated!

  60. Rich – well consider this your first look at a ‘moaning Minnie’ post haha. Haven’t heard that Ricky quote before but love it; well said Mr Gervais 🙂 Thanks for your comment Rich!

  61. Sam – all I can say is that I really love your comment because of the quotes that you use; it’s so true that we should talk about our weakness over our strengths; after all, weaknesses can always be improved 🙂

  62. Meriellen – I think I’m sold just on the book title! Thanks for the recommendation 🙂

  63. Nellie – No need to thank me for being yourself 🙂 You’re right – there are definitely some incredible people out there who are so inspiring and helpful…it really is just the minority that spoils it. My blog has enabled me to connect with vast amounts of people and make such strong friendships so I really agree with your point! Having special people like them in my life always makes me smile 😀

  64. Will – only ‘pretty much’ hard? I’m disappointed 🙁 haha Glad you liked it handsome!

  65. Jen – FYI I unsurprisingly love the first line of your comment haha. It’s a shame but you’re right, it seems that there has been some bubbling tension for quite a while which is a shame. I think I’d give up blogging if we all alike and used the same model; as you say, how boring! Amen to people not being dickheads too 😉

  66. CK – I love your metaphor…simple but so good!

  67. Caz – Can I just say that I LOVE that you ranted in the comments…my kind of woman! Exactly – if you’ve got enough time to judge other people and call them out, clearly you’re not living your own life to the max!

    I really agree that we are all humans and should be treated with respect – I think a lot of the time it’s ‘keyboard courage’. Often people will be polite in the offline world but the moment they get behind a keyboard, they become anonymous and feel they have the power to be rude which is just distasteful and just unnecessary. You and your family are the type of people I would imagine that I would love just as much offline as I do online and I think that’s what everyone should adhere to – be themselves and treat people nicely!

    Clearly you haven’t met the type of travellers I have. I’ve met people that have had some incredible experiences and have seen so much of the world and themselves and they’re still narrow-minded bigots. Sigh.

    It’s sad to hear that you’re experiencing it both in the travel and mummy groups :s I removed myself from all the groups today because as you said, we shouldn’t allow it or them, to rent valuable space in our minds and hearts.

    I love your p.s. too – you’re so right. I know a few people (myself included) stuck in debt and as you said, if that little extra money helps that person, who are they to judge? If the judgemental people make enough money on their blogs to have such egos; maybe they should give it away to people that are truly needing and deserving of it.

    On a final note Caz – never stop being yourself…you and your family are, without a doubt, some of the most highly-respected and well loved people (never mind bloggers) in this community! 🙂

  68. Roy – good to know that you’re prepared to break one of the ‘cardinal rules’ haha. As I always think…what’s the point in travelling if you don’t have time to stop and feel it?! 🙂

  69. Jim – well said! You’re right about Karma…it will always catch up with the necessary people eventually! I think people just need to stay a little more interested in their own lives and well-being than trying to peep over the garden fence as it were.

  70. Glenn – Life’s too short for assholes. Well said. Very well said 😀

  71. Tammy – I will admit that I was very scared about posting this but I’m very glad I did in the end – thank you 🙂 Variety is the spice of life isn’t it 😉

  72. Bret – I totally agree…the big bloggers all had to start somewhere and beat down their own paths as there was no real template to begin with. And yes, like in life, I think the big people are constantly waiting for the snapping small people at their heels to come and replace them; I understand the fear, I just don’t think that it justifies the attitude, whatever level.

    I think that if the ‘big bloggers’ are to remain big then they need to realise (and should have by now) that, as you said, the blogging community is ever changing and that if all they can do is resent the smaller bloggers for being smarter than them, they deserve to lose their place at the top. Instead of moaning, then need to move with the times (as we all do) and if they can’t realise that, they shouldn’t be in this game.

    Thanks for the invite to your FB group; I was actually already a member (for a few weeks) but I left today…I quit all the blogging groups actually. As Caz says, I no longer want them to rent space in my mind; I think there are bigger and better things to focus on and after all the amazing support I’ve received on here, it makes me more determined than ever to keep forging my own way in this blogging world.

  73. Adam – thanks for letting me know about Christine’s post on travelllll; I hadn’t read it but just did and I agree with what she’s saying. I too have left all those blogging groups today and I feel so much better already; it’s a shame that they were making you feel so crap 🙁
    And there’s no need to thank me (but it’s appreciated) haha

  74. TravMonkey – thought you might like this Paul; I do enjoy your rants 😀 You make a great point about ‘smoke and mirrors’; I have often felt that bloggers tell half-truths to appear better than they are (and sometimes to prevent someone else from doing well).

    I totally agree with you – blogging is about wanting to experiment, write and express ourselves; I think that’s the exact reason we all get into it at the start. I don’t think there’s anything wrong with making money through your blog but people need to be honest about their reasons for it…some want to make a ‘bit on the side’, which is fair enough, whilst others want to completely monetise their sites…there is nothing wrong with either, they’re just different ways of blogging. It all depends if you’re wearing the ‘business’ or ‘adventure’ hat I guess 🙂

  75. Lucy – You’re right, it can be very cliquey which is a shame because it can then put people off from really getting involved. There are some amazing people out there though; you just have to search for the good ones 😉

  76. Lynda – glad you enjoyed it 🙂 Caz was spot on in many ways!

  77. Megan – sadly I think it’s a never-ending conversation. Sigh.

  78. Erica – it’s amazing (and sad) just how many of us have been feeling like this for so long and not spoken out before. It’s all about karma and paying it forward I think – if you’re nice, you’ll get nice in return and if you don’t, pass the nice on 🙂
    I may be tiny compared to you but I’d be happy to help you out if ever and whenever you need it.

  79. Sam – VERY good point. Some of the greatest people in the world are hated for the exact reasons they are loved!

  80. Cathy – glad (and saddened) that you agree haha. And no one ‘needs’ followers but I love and appreciate every one of them; so THANK YOU and welcome to the madness haha

  81. Jenna – well thank you for clicking over 🙂 I’d never ask Erik who said those things but if they EVER say something so disgusting to me (or I see them do it to someone else), I will have absolutely no problem calling them out in public for the cowards they really are. Rant over haha. I agree with what you’re saying, success is a relevant term whatever industry or job you’re in. I think PlanetD and Suzy are great bloggers and worth a mention 🙂

  82. Wrabbit – I think it’s great that you’re starting to ‘dip your toes’ a little deeper into the water; don’t let this post put you off haha. I think some people can get a real sense of keyboard courage and doubt that they would say those kind of things offline to their faces. I too would response with a F-U 😀 haha well I welcome any comments – supportive or otherwise 😉

  83. Erik – I can understand where you’re coming from, but it is always worth speaking your mind, whether you think anyone cares or not. If you feel angry about something then say it as it might help but likewise, if you don’t want to, that’s also fine. We forge our own paths afterall. We are all insignificant in the grand scheme of things but you’re right, you’re comfortable because it’s YOURS and no one can take that away from any of us.

    And to the second blogger who emailed you – you have done an INCREDIBLE amount of travelling. Besides, travel is a relevant term. Someone may have travelled only through America all their life but that doesn’t mean they lack anything…you’re still getting out there and exploring different parts of your world.

    Whilst I understand you not wanting to call the bloggers out in public (because it’s not really your style), if you have the proof then no one can say that you’re jealous, just a victim of someone else’s ego fuelled by keyboard courage and they’re the ones that will look like idiots!

    This post will definitely not change their behaviour…that’s evident by how few ‘big’ bloggers have actually left a comment. Their ego’s either believe we’re not talking about them or think we’re too insignificant to matter. Hey ho. Karma’s a bitch and if she needs some help, I’m ALWAYS available 😉

  84. Elle – 🙁 I thought your already loved me?! haha. Apparently you’re not the only one who thinks I’m sexy after this; I made Will Peach ‘pretty’ hard lol.
    And FYI, you could never piss me off 😀 x

  85. Waegook-Tom – You said it right there…’they’re the ones I keep going back to’, and they’re the ones that will have good statistics to reflect that. And amen! There’s no excuse for lack of communication in today’s technological society. We just have to keep speaking to the good people and dumping the a*holes 😀

  86. Marina – Preach on? Best comment introduction ever haha. You’re spot on; there really is a little bit of internet pie for everyone. YES! I LOVE being able to hit the ‘unfollow’ buttons etc…something so cleansing about it. Maybe you and I could invent some kind of remote control to do this for the real world too?! We’d be richer than Zucerkburg in no time! 😀

  87. Nomadic Translation – right back at you lovely 🙂

  88. Steph – It makes me sad too; there really is no need for it. You’re the first person that’s said it here but you’re completely right…nastiness is un-businesslike!! If you sound like a child, guess who’s not going to get the best reception from the PR people etc.
    I’ve actually left all the blogging groups today and I already feel so much better knowing that I no longer risk going into a group and being hit with petty behaviour!

  89. Toni, it makes me sad that this even needs to be written. When I first started, three years ago, the community was small, tight knit and extremely supportive of each other (at least the people I knew). It has evolved into this beast of many people trying to up each other, call people out and be generally snarky. You are right — it is your blog. Do what you will. I am absolutely against buying followers — I think not only does it give everyone a bad name, it is dishonest and puts those who really do struggle to grow their audience and work for those trips, meetings, etc. at a disadvantage to those who simply spend money to gain the edge. Good on you for writing this!

  90. First off..I haven’t stopped by in a few weeks…Love the new look of your site. And if it’s been longer than that, sorry, times flies I guess…

    Great rant…I remember your post about WTM, and I think this one will rank up with that one. I’ve stopped going on the FB groups for the most part, because it does seem to be the same stuff over and over, and the same opinions being rehashed to no end. I am lucky to have built relationships with many bloggers. We all do it for different reasons, but we all support one another. Without them – and others like you – it wouldn’t be nearly as fun…

  91. Loooooooveeee it! GREAT post and good on you for taking it on. I remember reading something a while ago about blogging, and his 1st rule of blogging was perfect: Don’t be a dick.

    Awesome job!

  92. Love this post! It’s so true what you’ve said and a real shame. I get turned off by those FB groups and have been considering leaving them.

    PS: I’m planning a post on “travel snobbery.” That’s been getting to me lately. All the one-upping (and one-downing). Another travel had the nerve to tell me that 8 weeks wasn’t enough for my trip to Indonesia. Excuse me? Not everyone wants to be a full-time traveler.

    Anyway, great job on this!

  93. Great post. I’ve felt that it changed a lot during the last three years. When I first got into the travel bloggers community, it was nothing but the support. But it more and more felt like competition. That makes harder to keep going.
    Great post.

  94. This is a fantastic post! I can just imagine it pissed off a lot of ppl too but it had to be said. I started travel blogging over 3 years ago. Then it used to be a small tight knit community free of bitching. Then people started making money while others didn’t and it became a petty school kid competition of “who’s the most popular in the class” it completely turned me off travel blogging (I wrote about it here http://www.evolutionofadreamer.com/writers-world/and-just-like-that-the-travel-blogging-spark-fizzled-out/).

    I now rarely participate in the facebook bloggers groups and stay clear of twitter even though it means losing readers. Now generally on my blog I just write what ever I damn well want to write however frequently I want and couldn’t care less how many people read it.

    I actually had one guy who makes a lot of money from travel blogging tell me I was effectively wasting all those years of travel blogging experience and should be cashing that in to make money. He was flabbergasted that I couldn’t care less what he thought and was happy doing it my way. Apparently I must have been crazy to ignore his advice because he was clearly and “expert” because he had made so much money. Unfortunately he’s not the only travel blogger who likes to tell people what to do and then shoot down people who do things differently or just simply don’t care. Quite frankly I’d rather not have that negativity in my day taking over my brains writing zen space!

    People won’t change their annoying d$#khead ways, all we can do is ignore then!

  95. Ava

    Some travel bloggers I’ve met have been amazingly nice and helpful. Others, I agree, think they’re hot sh*t which is so baffling to me. We’re BLOGGERS for crying out loud! We didn’t do this expecting money and hoes to come raining down on us.

  96. Ahhhh love this so much! Can I finally admit I dont give a crap how the ‘experts’ say I SHOULD be doing it? I’m just writing what I want and WHEN I want using social networks that I like and generally not following any specific rules but my own. I had found myself writing some articles in the past that just weren’t me…thinking that its what I had to do. I had started reading too many ‘how-to’ blogs and started doing things that I thought would help my business…WHEN MY BLOG IS NOT EVEN A BUSINESS and I knew that!! I have other ideas for making money and right now, my blog isn’t one of them! I had a talk with myself and realized I started blogging for myself, and if anyone else wants to read then I am wholly and overwhelmingly grateful that they would take the time to do that but from now on I will not listen to the ‘experts’, especially when they couldn’t be arsed responding to me when I take the time to read and make meaningful comments on their blogs, FB pages, etc! 🙂

  97. Toni, your points are excellent. Yes, a lot of condescension and judgement. There are no formulas. People learn by doing. By definition, that means making a lot of mistakes. What works for one doesn’t work for another. It’s pretty obvious who the supportive ones are – and in the end isn’t that what we are looking for when we ask advice? What’s the most fun? What gets a good response? Some folks get those answers in a short time. For others it takes much longer. Bottom line follow your gut. When you are the experienced one maybe you’ll be more supportive to those coming later. It’s supposed to be fun! Thanks for taking a whack at the hornet’s nest. Looks like you found lots of folks who feel the way you do about it. Good on ya!

  98. Kat Von B

    Fuck Yea!!!
    I recently dealt with a (big) Travel Blogger who was a complete douchebag.
    My feelings were kind of hurt for about 5 minutes…
    Then I realized…that wasn’t even someone I would ever be friends with.
    One day I will be MORE successful than that person and you know what? I WON’T BE A DICK.

  99. Awesome post and Amen! Thank you for voicing what some of us have been thinking. As a relative newbie too, I was aghast to read some of those FB comments by adults – some of them quite petty. I’ve had my shares of being ignored after reaching out to fellow bloggers in my niche and despite repeated comments and exchanges on Twitter, some couldn’t be bothered to visit, answer or follow back. Despite those few high and mighty, there are also more helpful and considerate bloggers out there. I hope you encounter more of them in time. Good luck with your blog!

  100. A great (and honest) post! We feel like we’ve been so blessed when it comes to the friends we’ve made through travel blogging. If it weren’t for all of the people that took their time, skills, and energy to help us out, we wouldn’t be anywhere!

    We were shocked when we entered a couple of blogger forums and saw how people were talking to each other. Thank you for taking a brave stance. We all have our different styles of blogging and in the end, just do what makes you happy!

  101. *slow clap*

    I absolutely love this and couldn’t agree more. Well done! There’s a reason I go to lifestyles conferences and not travel blogging conferences (despite having worked in the travel industry for nearly a decade), and you said much of it right here =)

  102. Just found this rec’d on Global Bloggers Network & felt compelled to write … and that, to me, is one of the great gifts that writers have, when what we write creates a reaction in others and then, an even stronger impetus to engage in communication. Well done for being brave enough to voice your feelings and you’ve clearly hit a vein of strong opinion.

    I, like you, love writing and blog for the pleasure of it. Having finally found a way (I’m a lot older than many here!) to earn a small living from my two loves of travel & writing I struggle to balance biz v pleasure. I have met some really helpful travel bloggers, gain hugely from all the advice on the Forums and, just like you, get very fed up (& occasionally v amused!!) with some of the bickering etc twas ever thus and ever will be … Human nature and all that. But really just wanted to congratulate you for using your own blog to make a clearly passionately felt point.

  103. I am baffled at the comments that someone made – “do not RT my tweets as you don’t have enough followers?” how shockingly rude.

  104. Wow, when you said you needed to get this off your chest, you weren’t joking, were you? Great read! 🙂 To be honest, I let a lot of this stuff go over my head because we’ve not got time to be bothered with it. We’re nearly 3 years in now and have been helped out a lot by some of the ‘bigger bloggers’ (got to give the lovely Anil Polat a mention, here) and we’ve been completely blanked by others – shan’t name names 😉 – who maybe are just too busy, don’t notice us or can’t be bothered. Whichever it is, we don’t care. Like you said, we’re on our own path loving what we do on OUR blog. Hope you continue to do the same. 🙂
    Julia

  105. love this post Toni… i hope the senseless bickering online ends… and i agree… we have the right to decide our own way of dealing with our blogs and yeah that includes advertising, writing style etc etc… 🙂

  106. Here here! I concur with your sentiments wholeheartedly.

    I haven’t been on the receiving end of (much) of the negative attitudes on the Facebook Groups but I have felt it in person.

    I’ve reached out to other bloggers that I’ve admired by leaving comments on their blogs, tweeting them and RT their posts. Some are gracious, appreciative and go out of their way to answer questions. Others are downright frosty or just choose to ignore me.

    I recently got a super email from Dani in response to a comment I’d placed on Globetrotter Girls about how they go about securing sponsored stays in exchange for hotel reviews. She shared heaps of information with me about what works for them and their process. I certainly know other bloggers wouldn’t be as helpful.

    In the case of the frosty ignorers, I usually give them a second or third chance by continuing to attempt to engage with them. After that, I give up.

    I really don’t get why some bloggers feel “this town ain’t big enough for the both of us!”. There’s plenty of room for everyone. We’re all at different stages and we all want different things.

  107. Well said – I couldn’t agree more with just about all of your observations.

    However, if travel bloggers want to view travel blogging as an occupation then hard-hitting, honest debates (which is what I see your post as encouraging) and being able to accept constructive criticism (not bitchiness or school-yard squabbles) are an essential aspect of an emerging occupation.

    If people want to view it as a hobby, then these are less important.

    Maybe that’s where some of the issues lie, that under the travel blogging umbrella people approach travel blogging in so many different ways.

  108. I used to read all the travel group bickering with a soda and popcorn, but it was making me fat so I quit reading. 😉

    Nice post. I don’t think it’s limited to travel blogging – any kind of forum seems to coalesce into cliques and personality conflicts. The ones that continue to thrive are the ones that (unfortunately) have to be a bit heavy-handed in moderation of comments (or at least moderately-handed).

    But for the record, I really enjoyed your writing style and sense of humor! If I still read travel blogs, I’d read yours 🙂

  109. I said it to you when we chatted earlier, but man, I love this post. You’ve got mega-huge balls. And you’re completely right. I actually stopped looking at the travel blogging groups and forums a long time ago because it actually pained me to see the political bullshit that goes on.

    Keep up the good work, sista! 🙂

  110. You are right on the mark here! Thanks. Something to remember, some of the big travel bloggers are only where they are today because when they started there was no competition. They are running scared. Their lack of talent and boring personalities will catch up with them sooner or later 🙂

  111. I agree with everything you said. In my observations, it’s a very small handful of people that cause these problems, and if we just ignore them, it’s a lot less frustrating.

    Also, I’d suggest using threaded comments, so your replies are associated with specific comments.

  112. Kudos to you for writing about this.
    I feel really lucky though as I haven’t come upon any of this nastiness. (Or maybe I’m not big enough of a threat.)
    I belong to a few different groups, including the Business of Blogging that Bret mentioned. My groups are very nice people who play very well with others. So ditch the mean people and see how the other side lives!
    Thanks for your post.

  113. You’ve hit a nerve that so many of us can relate too. Thank you for talking about it. After several years of blogging – wondering why I was doing it and what I was doing wrong and full of self doubt -I have come to a point where I do it for me – for the personal challenge and I no longer care or listen to some of the big name bloggers out there. In fact I long ago lost respect when after 25+ comments on their blogs I never got so much as a RT, comment or thank you in return. Here’s hoping you become wildly successful on your own terms! And I will now subscribe to your blog like you on FB!!

  114. A Kings Life- digital nomad family

    I haven’t really participated in a lot of blogging groups even though I have a blog. One reason is that it’s not my bread and butter and I do it to record our memories, thoughts and experiences. Perhaps one day I’ll get ” more serious” about it, whatever that means.
    Caz said it well when she alluded to the fact that travelers who have seen so many ways of living and doing things know there is No One Right Way.
    Constructive criticism is great…please…help me make my blog better!
    But ” you suck for doing that” doesn’t tell me a darn thing.

  115. I totally agree with you and with A Kings Life-digital nomad family. I started my blog to communicate with friends and family members but mainly because I want to motivate my family to travel (I have a huge family and I’m the only one that has accomplish the travel around the world adventure). However, I have also notice (since I write in English and Spanish) that we have the same problems within the Spanish speaking community, such a disappointment. Anyway your post reminds me of Hello Meets World post check it out: http://hellomeetworld.com/travel-bloggers-unite-united-we-stand-divided-we-fall/

  116. Wow, you really seem to have hit a nerve here – there are so many comments. I’m pretty new to the travel blogging community and have been blissfully unaware of these troubles. In fact, I’ve been quite overwhelmed with how helpful people have been when I’ve reached out. Having worked in a busy office for years, I know how time-consuming communication can be so I feel really appreciative when people get back to me.
    The thing I do find hard about the travel blogging forums is the amount of comparison. Some days I feel good about what I’ve been doing and then go on the group and see people who are worrying about thier blogs even though they’re doing a hundred times better than mine! That’s my problem though. As I think Roosevelt said: “Comparison is the thief of joy”.

  117. Diana – you’re right, it makes me sad that I feel this needed to be written and even more sad that so many people appear to agree with this post. I agree that people who buy followers etc are instantly at an advantage…the PR person doesn’t care if the numbers are fake, just that they have good numbers in the first place; so disheartening. Thanks for taking the time to comment!

  118. Deej – No need to apologise; just lovely to see you again and glad you like the new look of this place 🙂 You’re right about the FB groups…it’s the same things to talked about continually and usually the same people with the same opinions contributing. Couldn’t agree more…without other people for variety, blogging really would be boring 🙂

  119. Talon – haha thanks; glad you enjoyed it 🙂 That is probably the best rule about blogging I have ever heard; just awesome 😀

  120. Lisa – I only left the FB groups a couple of days ago and I already feel better for it which sadly says a lot. 8 weeks isn’t enough time for Indonesia? Wow – what a douchebag! It’s a shame that there is so much assumption within the community that everyone wants to be the same. It’s even more of a shame that this person felt the need/right to say those things to you. Pretty sure he wouldn’t have said a word if you were face to face! Good for you for sticking to your guns!

  121. Juno – thank you for your honesty. A few people have said that the community has changed over the last few years which is a shame but we will all keep going on our own paths 🙂

  122. Sasha – Thanks 🙂 I have actually been pretty overwhelmed with the amount of support this post has gained; something I never expected to happen. It’s interesting that you have noticed that change over the last 3 years particularly since people have started making money from their sites. Just read your post and I LOVED everything about it from the way you’ve written it to what you’ve said 🙂

    It’s interesting that the blogger thought you had ‘wasted’ those years and incredibly sad that money is the reason why they keep going instead of the love of writing and sharing their adventures. Ugh self-professed ‘experts’ are the worst; so much ego!

    You’re right Sasha – we have the power to ignore them so let’s use it! 🙂

  123. Ava – ‘We didn’t do this expecting money and hoes to come raining down on us’…best comment ever hahaha. There are some incredible people in this community but unfortunately the negative minority are very loud.

  124. Steph – hell yes you can admit to not giving a crap about how you ‘should’ do it. Following your own rules is the only way to go…that way you know if anything goes wrong or right, it’s all down to you 🙂 I have to admit that I’m a little guilty like you; I started taking the bigger bloggers seriously when they said you ‘have’ to do XYZ but now I only listen to myself and it feels sooo good 🙂 And you’re right; blog for yourself and everything else will just fall into place 🙂

  125. Steve – thanks! You’re very right; there really are not formulas to blogging. I think it’s just a case of everyone plodding along and learning from their OWN mistakes. My friend and I talked about this the other day; essentially all the big bloggers that are nice are going to get the continued attention and love within the community; again, it’s Karma. Amen to blogging being fun; my love for writing is what always keeps me going!
    You’re welcome – I’ll whack the hornets nest any time haha.

  126. Kat – your comment made me laugh out loud! I think that’s the distinction to make and question to ask yourself…could you see yourself being friends with them offline? If not, cut them out and don’t let them rent head space as Caz said. ‘I won’t be a dick’ hahaha YES!!!! Love it 🙂

  127. Mary – I think you’ve got it spot on – there are many considerate and helpful bloggers out there which is the side of the travel community I love. For every douche out there, there is always some kind of unfollow button available…which I like 🙂 And I love your blog title by the way – very true!

  128. Tawny – I think you’ve hit the nail on the head! As much as we all write our own blogs and want to forge our own paths, we all need help at some point or another and, as you said, you wouldn’t be where you are now without help from people along the way and I think, sadly, some people forget that so easily. I, too, have been blessed to make some wonderful friendships through blogging that I know will carry me through my life.
    And you’re right – we should just do what makes us happy; amen! 🙂

  129. Camels – woo; my first clap! Score! 😀 Thanks. Really interesting that you choose other conferences over travel industry ones and sad that you feel it necessary. If only we could ALL be adults in this business. For everyone else, there’s chocolate 😉

  130. Zoë – I literally don’t know what to say apart from thank you. I was in no way expecting anywhere near this kind of reaction to this post but I love that it has because it’s sparking conversation, which I think is what blogging really comes down to; interactivity!

    You’re right – there are some amazingly helpful bloggers out there and there is some great information out there. I think it’s sad that the minority of people can have such a loud effect on the bigger picture as it were. Sadly, as you say, it’s human nature…which, it turns out, really isn’t that great at times. Thank you again for stopping by Zoë; means a lot!

  131. Ava – I really do think that some people have huge doses of ‘keyboard courage’; they would probably never be so rude face to face but stick them, ‘anonymously’ behind a computer and they’ll say anything they like!

  132. Julia – it wasn’t until I read it back that I realised just have ‘ranty’ my post was haha. I think I have recently started to let it go over my head, especially since I unfollowed a lot of people and left the FB groups, because as you say, you don’t have time to deal with it. And let’s face it, if they’re never going to change their behaviour then the only thing you can do is leave them to it.
    This post has definitely helped me realise that I really do love my own path…we should all do the same as you said!

  133. Flip – thank you friend 🙂 I think that as long as we all stick to our paths, open our minds a little more and accept the huge (and fantastic) variety that the internet offers, our ‘little’ community would be a lot stronger. Thank you for your support as always 🙂

  134. Bethaney – I have to agree with you. There are many big bloggers that are so incredibly busy and sometimes we all miss that tweet or comment that we should reply to but there really is no excuse to constantly ignore someone. I’d like to think that they wouldn’t do it offline so it shouldn’t be acceptable to do online. The Globetrotter Girls really are amazing women and the ones that are nice are the ones that the community will keep going back to – karma 🙂
    ‘we’re all at different stages and we all want different things’ – amen! 🙂

  135. Jack – good to know I’m agreeable 😉
    I think you’ve said it well…there is a vast difference between constructive criticism and school-yard squabbles and as you say, the necessity and strength of these depends on your own personal goals. There are so many branches to the blogging community but I think that there are three main ones:
    Non-profit, sometimes-profit and profit. Depending on what you want from your site will decide what kind of discussions are needed but above all else, they should always be respectful.
    Because of these different branches, I think this is where the trouble lies (which I think is what you’re eluding to in your comment) – there is much assumption that many people may want to take the profit branch (and therefore would probably need to have more business-like discussions) when they may be perfectly happy to be sometimes-profit. I think the acceptance of everyone’s decisions is the first step to a better community.

  136. Joel – ha! That was a killer opening line to a comment 😀
    I agree – most places and forums in life will have the essence of cliques and personality conflicts; I think the key is accepting that we’re all different and not trying to preach to one another.
    And I’m honoured that you would read mine, if you still did that is 😉

  137. Melissa – Either mega-huge balls or utter stupidity; can’t decide yet 😉 I left all the forums and fb groups a couple of days ago and it amazes me just how good I feel about that already! The less politics the better! 🙂

  138. Nancie – That’s a good point (one which a few commenters here have made) that there was little or no competition when the ‘big people’ started and therefore all of a sudden they have got to find new ways to stay on top form. It’s hard but I don’t think it every excuses an ego or rudeness; basic human traits shouldn’t need to be sacrificed. You’re right though – boring personalities etc will always catch up to them eventually! You have got to love Karma 🙂

  139. Dave – thank you for your honesty. I would definitely agree that a loud minority are the problem in a quiet majority and that we have the choice to ignore them; I think I just needed to get this all out of my system so that I could move on.
    Also, thank you for the advice about the threaded comment; I’d never given it a thought before and I certainly wasn’t expecting to have this amount of comments on any of my posts 🙂

  140. InsideJourneys – haha I love the ‘ditch the mean people and see how the other side lives’ 🙂 I think it’s great that you haven’t come across the nastiness; I really hope you don’t because the community really is a fantastic place overall!

  141. Leigh – I really am stunned by just how many nerves I have hit; I never would have guessed that so many people felt the same. I really do think that blogging comes full circle, which is what you seem to have done. We start writing for ourselves, accidentally (or intentionally) get caught up in the all the ‘advice’ and feel lost so then head back to basics and write for ourselves all over again (which, I feel, is where the true passion will always show). And a huge THANK YOU for liking me on FB and joining the madness; I hope I don’t disappoint 🙂

  142. A Kings Life – I think writing for yourself, whether you’re ‘serious’ about blogging or not, is the first thing you should always be able to recognise in your writing.
    You’re spot on; constructive criticism such as ‘perhaps you could try it this way’ will make me listen far more to their advice than ‘you suck’. There really is no excuse for not being polite and respectful.

  143. Linda – You’re just like me! I am the only one in my family that has ever travelled solo or been backpacking! Good for you for wanting to inspire your family; that’s such a great reason to start a blog! Sad to hear, however, that the blog problems reach the Spanish-speaking community too. I just don’t understand why or how the human race can be so negative towards each other at times. Thank you for the post recommendation too! 🙂

  144. Victoria – I had no idea the nerve I was aiming for was so big 🙂
    I absolutely love the travel community as a whole. I can’t tell you the amount of times that it (and the strong friendships I’ve made through it) have kept me going at hard times over the last few months. You have joined a wonderfully helpful and kind bunch of people 🙂
    I think you’re right to quote Roosevelt there…comparison really can be a dirty word. To be honest, I think now that because there are many travel bloggers, some of the ‘big’ ones probably feel threatened and therefore worry more. I say, just keep doing your own thing and you’ll find success in no time! 🙂

  145. Legend. The only reason I haven’t left those groups yet is because every 2 weeks or so there is a vital piece of info I pick up on a conference or something like that.

    My advice (I just realised that this is what you were talking about so feel free to ignore it hahaha); find bloggers who you have a good relationship with and continue to develop it with them. Having a handful of people to call on all the time is the key to keeping happy in this business. By the way, happy to help you any time you want Toni!

  146. I think people who ride on their high horse because of their blog’s rankings, likes and such forget what travel is truly about… What a shame.

    “Though we travel the world over to find the beautiful, we must carry it with us or we find it not.” ~Ralph Waldo Emerson

  147. Cole – I know what you mean; occasionally the groups really come up trumps with good stuff; I guess I just couldn’t stick around and wait (I’m so impatient haha).
    I’m really thankful that I’ve made some incredible connections with other bloggers that are so helpful and shows the side of the travel community that I really do love 🙂 And be ready when I knock on your helpful door 😉 (you might regret it haha)

  148. Pola – You’re right; it’s a shame when people forget why they started blogging in the first place and their love of travel. And I absolutely LOVE the Emerson quote…so true! Thank you for sharing it 🙂

  149. I have to tell you that I almost missed your post. I was notified about it, but when I saw the title I thought, “Oh I really don’t want to know about this again.” However, a kind fellow blogger drew my attention to it, and I have to say not only do I think it’s a great attitude to blogging, but for life in general!

  150. Wow, I guess my head is in the sand but I really haven’t seen this. In my experience, travel bloggers have been nothing but friendly and helpful. From the examples you cite, I get the sense that your main beef is people disagreeing in groups and forums. Is that really it, or does it go beyond that? Most of the disagreements I’ve seen in forums are more “healthy” than “nasty,” so I’m surprised to see this general sentiment from the community. I admit I don’t read those boards more than a couple times a week, so I could be missing something.

    Whenever I see someone give advice on how to operate a travel blog, I’ve always just viewed it as one person’s opinion, which I can either take or leave as I see fit, rather than “This is the absolute truth and this is how you must run your own site!” To me, it’s all good advice, I take it in, think about it, and move on. There will always be know-it-alls in every field – you just can’t take them too seriously.

    In any case, congrats on writing a post that has definitely touched a nerve. Hopefully this will be a wake-up call to anyone in our field who has not been treating others with respect 🙂

  151. I have only been working on the travel blogging/photography since last April and to be honest I have had experiences on both sides of the fence. For the most part, when I have a question, I can usually ask one of the Facebook groups and get a myriad of answers. Some times I see a post that hit on a subject I have been thinking about and will contact the author directly. Most of the time they take the time to respond to my questions and most are very polite. However, on the flip side, I feel that some of the “top” bloggers, 1. are not very supportive of beginning bloggers in that they do not respond or are rude or generic when they do, and 2. Only care about the numbers and not the followers and fans. Of course we all like seeing higher numbers of views but if you do not have that personal connection with people, they will see that.

    Anyways…this was a great article and said it better than I ever could. Agree or not, this does seem to go on in the travel and blogging community.

  152. Damn girl! Way to come out with it. Yeah, I’ve noticed the same thing as of late…but I just shrug it off. No point in getting up in arms over somebody else being just generally rude or holier-than-thou. Sorry to hear this has reached such a breaking point with you!

  153. I love the post Toni. Like you, I try to stay out of the politics. I don’t think I’ve criticized people for how they do things. I’ve offered my opinion here and there but honestly I am just too busy to get into all of that. I try and be helpful where I can and hope that I can be a resource or get some good ideas from others.

    There are a LOT of great travel bloggers out there. Honestly, there are so many it’s hard to keep up with them. I know my own style, voice, travel topics, and content are unique and not like others. I used to be concerned with numbers but not as much any more.

    Like Craig and Caz, there are many big name travel bloggers who are helpful and kind. I love them! A few of the big name travel bloggers are some of the best people I’ve met. On the flip side, there are other big name bloggers who are condescending and arrogant and who I really don’t like in person.

    I am very very grateful to those who read, support, encourage, and comment on my blog. Quite honestly, I should do 100 times more than what I do to give more love back to people. I am humbled and grateful and hope I never become a bitter, arrogant, or nasty travel blogger. If I ever get there, that will be the day I quit.

  154. Good post and obviously heartfelt. If I’m honest I hadn’t noticed this – because I don’t play much part in the Facebook/ Twitter circles, they can seem very cliquey – but if you don’t join in its hard to be objective.

    One of the joys of the web when it became universally available (yes, I go back that far) was that it was a very level playing field and new entrants could almost match national players. These days it’s much more fragmented with lots of ‘levels’ – we all have to decide where we would like to be and more importantly: what we are prepared to do to get there.
    As a ‘community’ we also have to recognise that some simply can’t be bothered with the work involved in making this a business, or even have a desire to become ‘travel bloggers’ – they are just having some fun putting stuff on line that may be useful or entertaining – and that is just fine.

    As you correctly point out: there is no right or wrong way to do this.
    There are however some tips that might help you achieve better results (content, style, photo quality, rankings, etc), and there are some tools available to help you do this – but it’s up to you to decide what to do with these tips, and if they don’t suit you then ignore them…
    What there is no room for is unwanted and unrequested criticism; I was staggered to read some of the comments above, such as being asked to stop retweeting; this is just plain rude…

    In all fields of life there are people who are successful and jealously guard that position; there are also people who will help and assist others to achieve their goals, which one do you think will be more successful in the long run?

    In the end ‘to thy self be true’. Good luck with your chosen path and ignore the rude ones, there are plenty of good folk around.

  155. Linda – Thanks for reading (despite your initial hesitation)…I didn’t realise but yes, you’re right, listening to yourself in life is a great attitude to have 🙂

  156. Scott – I agree that there are plenty of friendly and helpful bloggers but I definitely think you’ve missed the arguments in the forums etc…there have been some pretty big ones lately sadly. I’ve left the groups now and I already feel so much better for it.

    I think we’ve had some really different experiences…I’ve had people give me great advice which I have taken but I have listened to people that have told me that they clearly know better than everyone because of how successful their own blog is.

    I definitely don’t take them seriously anymore; I think I just needed to get this all off my chest 🙂

  157. Jeremy – haha yes, after I read the post back to myself I realised just how ‘ranty’ it was 😉 I think I just needed to get it all out of my system…I feel much better now 🙂

  158. Liv

    I’m really surprised to hear of hostility in the travel blogging community. I have not encountered any nastiness. I have however been ignored by more established bloggers, who I am not going to name here. I don’t know if they are too busy or simply not interested in courtesy. Personally, I make sure that I reply to all communication that comes to me through my blog; I think it is just polite.
    At the end of the day blogging is a very personal activity and I think that as long as you are doing it in a way that makes you happy, and not upsetting anyone in the process, then you are doing a fantastic job!

  159. Hello, Toni. I’m very pleased in meeting your blog and you by this incredible post. I’m a Brazilian travel blogger for 2 years and a half now and I have noticed many of the annoying behaviors described in your text in our community here in Brazil too. I brought your text to our forum and you can’t imagine the massive debate it created. Amazing! You can’t imagine how far your arguments have reached. Congratulations!

  160. Just want to make a quick comment. Sometimes when bloggers ignore others, they aren’t always trying to be rude. I have a busy day job as a writer, a few regular freelance writing gigs, and then my travel blog…and a husband I want to make sure I spend some time with 🙂 Sometimes I do forget to respond to a comment or acknowledge a RT, or don’t have the time to respond to yet another email about a link exchange. But it’s never malicious or me trying to be snobby/rude. I am just stretched really thin and sometimes my blog and related social media don’t take top priority. I know many people do have more time to work on their blog and social media and are very responsive. This post made me question whether I come across as rude when I can’t respond to everything…I hope not! I do try to be as helpful as I can when I can. Not sure if others have the same issue when your blog isn’t your main priority?

  161. Wow, did you strike a cord! Being new to the community & considering my first conference I’m wondering about the reception awaiting. Think I come from the same place most do, full of wanderlust and a love of writing, and I cringe at how this must tarnish some otherwise really great days! Thanks for sharing.

    Kudos to you for calling it out as it is through your eyes (I’ll be following!!!) and for standing by your integrity, too. It’s a *pleasure* to meet you!

  162. I’ve now been blogging just over a year and as far as I’m concerned 9X % of the travel bloggers I’ve interacted with on some level are wonderful/helpful people.

    What’s frustrating is when one makes a sincere effort to connect with a ‘senior’ blogger over an extended period of time by posting insightful comments on their blog, tweeting their materials and possibly sending a friendly email introduction and they in turn completely ignore you, even over a basic, non-time consuming and mutually beneficial request, such as a link exchange. The people that are doing this are either a) arrogant b) not confident in their skill-set c) anti-social or some combination of the three.

    Luckily, some of the emerging new talent in the field is going to help change this culture over time. Anyone, who has started a travel blog and achieved a certain level of success in the last year or two knows how hard it is to break into a saturated field and the kind of level of dedication it takes across all levels of the blogging spectrum to make things work.

    There is no ‘born on third, think I’ve got a triple’ syndrome with these sorts. Keep in mind, the people who ‘ignored’ you at some point may be crawling on their hands & knees begging for help in years to come. It won’t be all that different from the high school reunion party where the ‘cool kid’ is now the bald used car salesman and the ‘geek’ is the one who sails around in yachts just for fun.

    The good news is that some of the most helpful people I’ve interacted with also run some of the most successful blogs. It’s only a few here that are actively trying to spoiling the party for others.

    I think the important thing to remember with all of this is that we ought to treat others the way we’d like to be treated ourselves but at the same time respect those who are likely ‘a little more busy’ without requesting time intrusive demands upon his/her schedule – especially if they don’t even really know who you are.

  163. Thanks for the shout out! 🙂 I honestly had no idea travel bloggers were so nasty to each other. That’s terrible. Maybe it’s because I didn’t even know there were Facebook groups about travel blogging…from reading the comments here, it seems like that’s where a lot of the negativity is.

    I’m glad you finally got this off your chest! It seems like it was weighing on you for a while. Now you can just say, “screw ’em!” and get back to doing what you do, in your own best possible way. 🙂 All the best to you and joyous travels always.

  164. I’ve always thought blogging and most other Social Media is the gateway for the majority of us to feel the exposure and drama that Celebrities and other achievers like Entrepreneurs and artists get.

    As you move up the totem pole, you’re gonna start stepping on people’s toes. People will start to gossip, politick. Temptations will come, ethics will be compromised. People are still gonna be people, now all the drama can happen “Virtually”. Hang in there 🙂

  165. I totally agree! I’ve experienced a lot of it too, for once, I learned blogging from an ‘expert’ who later got pissed off why my first blog ranked higher than his when he started first and ‘just’ taught me how. Like you said, I blog because I just want to share, the ads and other money making schemes are just a plus but not like others that are pushing limits and forgetting the fun just to make money.

    Blogging community? For some reason, I thought everybody’s welcome for such thing if you have a blog but then again I fed up trying to be part of any of it. When I was just starting to blog, I didn’t know there were rules and copyrights. Although I was guilty on the latter using other photos without permission, I didn’t know they were trying to contact me for the time I was traveling in places that internet is blocked. People talking bad about me, not even a chance to explain myself or apologize for that matter but they have been posting negative articles about me. Harsh for a newbie, I learned my lesson well. I learned that mostly, the kindness being shown in writing blogs and other types of media aren’t sincere. For me, its always motivation that comes first. It is not like I killed a person or I broke somebody’s heart but those things they did to me because of my innocence during those times felt like it.

    So right now, I don’t care if I write independently as long as I’m sincere and honest with myself and to my readers. I learned the business online and copyright stuff, but then again I wouldn’t want to start up a war just for a simple thing like that. It’s just a thing for this material world we’re living, the vanity and popularity people think they have because of the internet. I just hope people will use it for better motivation and reasons. Thanks and always be safe!

  166. I blog, but it’s not my first love, that is writing. I believe in writing for enjoyment despite being a working journalist and I steer clear of the large blogging communities for the cliquiness and frostiness. I thought that this was meant to be a happy go lucky friendly crowd? Actually given the responses to this excellent piece, there are hundreds of good people out there! Who cares about tweets, likes, reddits and so on? It’s about content and enjoyment, surely?

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  168. Liv – You’re right; I think being polite is key. Really agree with you – we should blog for ourselves first and love what we’re doing 🙂

  169. Glelber – Thank you so much for reading my post from Brazil! 🙂 I’m sorry that you have experienced negativity in the travel blog community but glad that you agree with my points! Thanks again.

  170. Emily – Thanks for the comment 🙂 I agree that people are busy…I too forget occasionally to reply to a tweet etc. You make an interesting point that sometimes if you’re stretched that you can’t always reply (or reply in detail)…I think from what most people are saying, however, is that it is when people continually ‘ignore’ tweets or comments etc and never seem to respond at all but I really can appreciate where you’re coming from 🙂

  171. Nola – I had no idea so many people would feel the same as me when I wrote it 🙂 And lovely to have you following; it’s a pleasure! Thank you.

  172. Nomadic Samuel – Thank you so much for your comment Samuel – I really couldn’t agree with you more! I think that the majority of ‘big’ bloggers are very helpful and kind/polite but there is a small, yet loud, minority that many seem to encounter which perhaps taint our views slightly. Love you ‘cool kid’ and ‘geek’ analogy 😉

    I agree with your last paragraph; we should be selective on what we ask of others so that we don’t take up their time with silly questions but remember to treat each other how we would like to be treated 🙂

  173. Maggie – You’re welcome 🙂 It really did feel so much better once I’d got this rant out of my system! And you’re right; now I can just carry on as normal and write what I want 🙂

  174. Loz – I never thought about us being ‘celebrities’ but you make a good point! 🙂

  175. Nicely stated. Like several others who have commented, I’ve been fortunate enough to have not been caught up in bickering between travel bloggers with egos bigger than their hearts. And I happy to see that bloggers who participate in “Travel Photo Thursday” and often take time to compliment me on my writing and photos have posted comments here, and I thank them for their support.

    But I have seen this sort of appalling nastiness appear in comments posted on various Websites (including newspapers) by those who aren’t bloggers, but simply want to pick a fight online with someone whose comment they didn’t like.

  176. I wanted to write a similar post many times in the past already. I am SO happy you did! It makes me angry how some ”big” bloggers think they are Gods … and never help any other blogger, but instead they are still asking me or any other of us ”not big” bloggers for help (and we idiots still do so!) Good that this thing got out of our chests 🙂

  177. Lyndsay – haha it sounds like the ‘expert’ definitely got jealous of you!
    I can’t believe that people talked bad about you because you couldn’t get back to them right away – that’s horrible! Being negative towards people online really is too easy for some people to do and it’s such a shame that we have to experience it. I think people need to remember that we all started from the same place and were all innocent at one time or another!
    I think it’s great that you’ve decided to continue on your own path and do what you want to do…good for you and thank you for your honesty!

  178. Richard – I’m definitely with you; I simply love to write and because I enjoy it! I couldn’t agree with you more; it’s about your content and enjoyment of it. I wonder, if you took away all the social media and opportunities to make money/press trips, if everyone would still continue to blog?!

  179. Dick – Thanks for your comment! I agree, it’s far too easy to ‘fight’ online as there is so much keyboard courage available hiding behind the anonymity of it all. Glad to know that you’ve been on the receiving end of the better part of the travel blogging world 🙂

  180. Until I read a post an hour ago which led me to your post, I wasn’t even aware of any of this. Which quite possibly makes me the most clueless and out of touch travel blogger ever. It also seems to indicate that I might be on the right track with my decision to spend as little time on facebook as possible.

    Whatever may be wrong with me, I always like to see people calling out assholes (and in my case pointing them out to me), so great job. That said, you’re advertising is all wrong, your background color is off by two shades and I didn’t enjoy the song on the radio while reading this…

  181. It might just be that I’m a relatively new travel blogger but I haven’t experienced any negativity in the community. Sure, one of the top bloggers emails me one-word replies despite the fact I spent a bit of money buying one of their books – so much for after-sale care! – but it just means I will not buy more. Great post, though – and I agree completely with what you say! Different journeys and all that…

  182. Crazy – You make a VERY good point…that ‘big’ bloggers don’t always help but ask for contributions from smaller bloggers with no thanks in return. It sounds like a lot of us needed to have a bit of a vent! 🙂

  183. A lot of us simply take ourselves too seriously. We may think that what we’re doing is interesting and oh so great, but really, none of us are writing the book of life here, what we are doing is not THAT important that it even warrants the time to fight about anything. I actually get flattered when someone takes the time out of their lives to send me over a nasty comment or email. Really, I think, do these people really take me that seriously that they would first of all read every word I wrote, dissect them, and then issue a drawn out attack? It’s truly impressive, and, honestly, once you start being taken so seriously that other bloggers will take the time to not only read but insult you is when you know you’re starting to make it in this business.

  184. LOVE. THIS. POST! Well done.

  185. My friend and I who have our own site were just having this same conversation. Basically, the travel blogger community is a big clique, and people are very calculating about who they interact with and you better believe if you don’t have a certain number of followers you will never hear a word. I am very proud of our site and at the same time I happily read and support other travel bloggers. We should all be lifting each other up and supporting each other as we make our own way.

  186. Daniel – You’re not out of touch – just lucky 🙂 And you’re right to stay off Facebook too! Love being the asshole you pointed out – thanks 😉

  187. Simon – glad to hear that you haven’t experienced any of it yet…fingers crossed you never have to! Yep after-sale is a bit poor at times sadly but I guess we’re all busy and, as you say, taking different journeys! Thank you for commenting 🙂

  188. Wade – I think we’re all doing important things for ourselves but you’re right, none of us are really important enough to fight or be nasty over it. haha yes, it always fascinates me when people waste their time moaning to us about that they don’t like our blogs; oh the irony! Good to know an insult is way of knowing you’ve ‘made it’ 😉

  189. Ryan – why thank you kind sir 🙂

  190. Jenna – I think you’re spot on; some people can be very calculating in who their talk to and interact with especially, as you say, if you don’t have a specific amount of followers etc. You’re right, we should be helping and encouraging each other not condemning!

  191. Thankyou thankyou thankyou!! I’m glad its not just happened to me!! I’m a newbie to the travel blogging community despite being on the road since 2005, and I’ve already experienced the good and the bad. I’m a HUGE fan of ‘just saying it’, thanks for posting this!
    If u haven’t read it yet, google ‘The Inner Ring’ by C.S.Lewis?? It’s perfect on the subject. I think everyone should read it, do a little self searching, and quit the clicky. The world would be a better place.
    Big fat luv to all the travel bloggers out there!! You’re all welcome on my blog!

  192. Liz

    Hi Toni! Awesome post! You rock! 🙂

  193. Kimberley – Amen to ‘just saying it’! I have no idea why people hide behind keyboards and words. Thanks for the book recommendation – sounds perfect for me 🙂

  194. Liz – Gracias kind lady…ditto 🙂

  195. Toni, I have nothing but respect for the raw emotion of this post! I can tell you were spittin’ flames as you wrote!

    I’m brand new to the game, and have only heard that travel bloggers can be really nasty to each other, so thanks for preparing me with a real world reaction to what I’ve only heard of.

    My favorite line:
    “Be yourself online too. Don’t sound like you’re this amazing adventurous person on your blog and through your writing then be a jumped up a*hole in real life.”

    As a person who’s also trying to blog honestly and passionately, I’m a bit dismayed to hear that people invent phony adventurous (online) personas for themselves. Damn, makes me sick actually. When it comes time for me to encounter these nasty people, I’d like to do a test and see if they’re bold enough to be so nasty face-to-face.

    I really enjoyed this post for the passion and fury that you wrote it with. From this post alone you’ve earned a loyal follower 🙂

  196. Can’t believe I almost forgot…I couldn’t agree more with what you and everyone else responding here are saying…we all know money DOES NOT EQUAL success right? That’s a big part of the reason why most of us are traveling the world anyways!

    It’s such a good point: how could someone tell anyone else how to blog! I’ll look for prescriptions on how to blog the same day I let someone else tell me how to live my life!!

  197. Dave – I don’t think my fingers have ever type as fast as when I wrote this post 😀 It was only when I read it back I realised how many times I’d said the word ‘ass’ haha

    Yes, many of the big bloggers can be pretty nasty to each other and to the smaller ones like myself but you know the best part of being a small blog? There are many more AMAZING smaller bloggers out there prepared to help and nurture each other; some of my closest friends are people I met through blogging 🙂

    Well I wouldn’t say that are ‘nasty’ face-to-face but they can be rude/dismissive which is just as bad in my book! I think I was just shocked because I always thought writing came from the heart (in whatever form) and therefore would be an extension of your true self instead of something fake!

    And any follower, loyal or not, is pretty awesome in my book so welcome to the madness 🙂

  198. Dave – Too right!! Some of the happiest people I have met in my travels have been the ‘poorest’…travel is the only thing that truly makes us richer!

    You’re spot on – no one should tell anyone else how to live our lives. Good for you for doing your own thing!

  199. Do understand your frustration. When I got to know travel blogging last February, I thought it was all about people with a hobby, travel and blogging. (I mean, you can do this for a living? Not so relaxing.)
    For some it is, for some it is not just a career break, but a career change. Same as the office game 🙂 but then out in the wild, wild world (thinking of the reggae song)

    I am not going say ‘I am not blogging for other bloggers’ (I can’t hear that hypnotic saying one more time 😀 ) They are also real readers, and they Travel. Am also writing for google bots, maybe for convicted killers, or people who sold their grandma 😉 or homeless people who would love to have a place of their own and travel and blog. Am just saying.

    Unless one is a career blogger, I don’t think it is possible to support an average annual income of lets say 40.000 euro?? One post comes always to mind: a travel blogger that left a restaurant without paying because money ran out.

    In one of previous comments I read that someone working for a famous travel mag would not have the time to reply (to a zero?)
    ….
    They don’t actually have the time. They don’t have to pretend they are famous, with no time for the other travel-subjects.

    I agree with Nomadic Samuel his comment.

    Also I expect that trashing other bloggers and blogs will go on, on an upcoming episode of “World Next Top Travel Blogger” (who are also top models and top dogs?) Just kidding of course.

    I care about your post, if you give a damn or not 🙂

  200. I feel like since we are in this little travel community it is best to always be nice to other bloggers, you never know when you might need that person one day if you perhaps travel somewhere and they are an expert in the area. Be business-like about it if you really don’t like someone. I haven’t come across anyone I didn’t like, everyone is so helpful and supportive. Best to have plenty of people in your networks than not. 🙂

  201. Hey Toni, really brave post. Totally agree that everyone’s different and there’s really no right or wrong when it comes to number of posts, tweets, followers etc. For me personally, it’s a long-term approach, and what seems to be working well for me is taking it all in stride – slow, steady, consistent and sustainable. So keep up the good work you’re already doing! 🙂

  202. Laura – I always think it takes more energy to be dismissive and rude etc than it does to be nice especially, as you know, because you don’t know if and when you’re going to need it in return. Everyone should just ditch the egos and play nice 🙂

  203. Wan – thank you Wan; your words are really appreciated! I think, for many of us (that want to remain true to themselves), the old metaphor applies….”slow and steady wins the race” 🙂

  204. I’ll admit I’ve felt it difficult to break into this crazy blogging world, and its really only been in the last 6 months or so that I feel like I’m getting to know people and getting some support. I haven’t seen a lot of the nastiness that you’re talking about, but I’m not that involved in forums and other places either…GREAT article though, judging by the number of comments here it was a long time coming-and needed to be said!

  205. Hi Toni,

    This is one of the best posts EVER! I love this. The passion LEAPS from the page.

    As a new blogger, it’s really difficult to navigate your way through the minefield that is blogging. Constantly aware that I don’t ‘know the rules’ and I’m sure I’ve probably made a few mistakes along the way.

    Thanks for making me feel much better!

    Helen

  206. Helen – thanks so much for stopping by and a huge WELCOME to the world of travel blogging! I kind of feel guilty now that this is one of the first posts you read as a ‘newbie’ haha…hope I haven’t put you off?! 😉 And remember – no lesson was ever learnt from making perfect decisions, they’re made by making mistakes 🙂

  207. I always appreciate a good rant and good on you for saying it out loud! I always struggle with the negativity that exists in creative industries when the real reason us bloggers exist is to provide a multitude of personalities, stories and opinions. Hence there being no right or wrong way, as you say. I hope, like a few people have mentioned, that the new wave of bloggers changes this and brings back the community feel we all love and need to support each other. After all, each and every one of us doesn’t know everything!

  208. Becki – I think you’ve hit the nail on the head…the community is all about different personalities and opinions etc and yet when we ARE different, people criticise each other for it which makes absolutely no sense. Well said – we don’t know everything but being able to read each other’s blogs can only help increase our knowledge base 🙂

  209. Not sure what I googled to get to this post, but it’s been a fascinating read! I started my travel-ish blog out of sheer boredom a few weeks ago when I tore up my ankle ligaments and couldn’t move off the sofa. After years of writing legal briefs, I am really enjoying trying to write like a “normal” person again. I hadn’t really thought about the business of blogging and I had no idea this whole travel blogger subculture existed. Thanks so much for clueing me in so I know what I’m getting into! I love reading about travel, but I only read traditional sources like the NY Times, the Guardian, Sunday Times, etc. I don’t even know who the “big” bloggers are you guys refer to here. Any recommendations on reputable blogs to follow? Facebook or other groups to join? Thanks so much!